Mint: Green Means Go

After months of beta testing, weeks of planning, and days of agonizing over the miscellaneous details, Mint is finally available! (Yes, yes, I realize I am a little late for my own party.) For those of you who don’t know, Mint is ShortStat reborn. Mint gives you a short but sweet look at the how, what, where, and when of your site traffic. It keeps both current and historical data about each visit and presents it in a neatly organized fashion.

With this announcement I was originally going to highlight a handful of Mint’s features but the official website and enthusiastic beta testers seem to have that thoroughly covered. So instead I’m going to address a few of the questions I expect to be hearing quite often post-launch.

But first I want to thank all of the beta-testers for their valuable insight and suggestions, their patience, time and tolerance, as well as for volunteering to stick their necks out for Mint and share their thoughts and favorite features on their own personal sites in the days leading up to the launch.

And now without further ado…

Why isn’t Mint Free?

I loved working on ShortStat and it was amazing seeing thousands of people adopt something I created but there was no way to keep up with the dozens of daily feature and support requests while also working a full-time job. It was taking time away from my pursuit of other interests—both on- and off-line. By charging for Mint I can afford to give each support request the time necessary to find a resolution and really focus on refining existing features and adding new ones—while still making time for friends, family, and my other offerings like IFR and CSS-SSC.

Why does Mint rely on JavaScript to record visit data?

Referrer Spam, plain and simple. I’ve seen ShortStat installations where 30-80% of all unique referrers are spam. Maintaining a blacklist of offending domains is not a viable, scalable solution and using JavaScript has other benefits. Mint can be added to any type of page—including flat HTML and those generated by PHP, CGI, RoR, etc—as long as the server hosting the site meets the requirements. It also prevents your data from being bloated by search engine spiders and crawlers. If you must have detailed usage information on the miniscule percentage of your users browsing with JavaScript disabled then Mint may not be the right solution for you. You can’t please everybody.

Why does Mint use a database?

I think the reason this question comes up a lot is that ShortStat’s database continues to grow and grow with each hit but that’s not a problem with Mint’s new rolling database. Also, referrer logs can only tell you so much and can require intensive text processing to present their data in any meaningful way. SQL is made for looking at large amounts of data from many different angles.

One last bit of hype

I know Stan has already covered this with his post Pepper Makes Mint Better but one of the things that I’m most excited about is the Pepper API and seeing what others do with it. (The API documentation is non-existent at this point and will probably remain so until it moves from the “sketch” stage to “inked.” ) For the sake of simplicity Mint doesn’t track Country or Language information out of the box but with the Pepper API, myself or any another developer could easily add a new feature and make it available to others as a Pepper. And Pepper doesn’t have to be limited to just adding new panes to the Mint display page, the API could be used to create a gateway between new Dashboard and Konfabulator widgets, embedded Flash widgets, RSS feeds, and even other sites that use Mint.

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Author
Shaun Inman
Posted
September 6th, 2005 at 2:02 am
Categories
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Comments
106 (Now closed)

106 Comments

001

Already using it and loving the simplicity.

Thanks for making a nice and simple, yet useful product.

Author
Brandon Cox
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 10:16 pm
002

I thought it was interesting that you launched without IE support. It’s nice that, for once, that lousy browser isn’t holding back the development of beautiful web applications.

Author
Paul D
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 10:17 pm
003

Still in doubt whether or not I’ll be purchasing Mint. Yes, it looks awesome, but Paypal is the only method of paying at the moment and I don’t have a paypal account. If I can get my dad to set one up I might purchase Mint, but for now I’m unsure. Bah.

Author
Peter Akkies
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 10:35 pm
004

Just bought it, and it looks amazing. Great work on the design - it really is incredible. I agree that Pepper should be an excellent feature for expandability.

$30 isn’t really all that much to pay for such a smooth package. It’s just a case of simply incorporating it into what you would charge for a design.

Author
David Appleyard
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 11:10 pm
005

All I wanted to say is just congrats. A great piece of work.

Author
Miko
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 11:19 pm
006

Indeed already purchased it last night, works like a dream. Really can’t wait until i start making some addon’s using pepper though

Author
Dave
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 11:25 pm
007

Shaun, you just aim to please… it’s functional and esthetically appealing nice job!! Brilliant!

Author
tripeak
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 11:34 pm
008

Looks great! More features than you can shake a peppermint stick at!

I have a question about the licensing though. What would stop somebody installing it on numerous sites with one purchase? I’m not looking to do it, just wandered how you’ve combated it.

Author
Wayland Donlan
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 11:40 pm
009

I have a few personal sites I run and this would be an enjoyable and easy way to find out statistics of people viewing. Most of the “for money” stuff I develop is intranet based and stats aren’t as vital as it is a fairly controlled environment.

What I’m getting at is I’d consider buying mint if there was a reduced flat rate to use it on x sites (or a single server though that it slightly less appealing). I’m not sure how having scalable packages would fit in your sales scheme, or if the expense of more flexible packages would negate the value for more casual sites. Some licensing scheme along the lines of MT might be worth looking into.

Author
Carl U
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 11:47 pm
010

I’ve just bought it, and I alredy love it :)

PS: Shaun, i’m the first to ask, but you need to make mint available in different languages, then, I’ll buy it for any comercial site I make :)

Author
Simon
Posted
Sep 5th, 2005 11:50 pm
011

Hey there, I don’t know that much about this mint-stuff. But, if it is only a simple traffic-statistc, i wonder who’s going to use it. There are tousend of free Traffic-logger to download, and most hosters do offer them too. So what’s the difference between this new statistics and the current statistics available? Is it just the look? The look is awesome, ok, but is there anything else?

Author
Whizzler
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 12:19 am
012

Hey Shaun, how long did it take you, from the ground up to build mint? It really looks like an awesome product!

Author
JBagley
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 12:49 am
013

I guess with Mint the main features for me that aren’t offered by other Statistics logs will be the simplified tracking features, non-spam hits and the ability to alter the style sheet to suit the clients site ( i presume this will be a possiblity?).

Author
Wayland Donlan
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 12:53 am
014

Looks lovely although I’ll never get to use it as I develop in .net. :(

I’d be very interested to hear if you are planning to offer this as a hosted service as it’s something I’d be more than willing to pay a subscription for.

Author
Jamie
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 12:59 am
015

Can Mint track file downloads, or does it require a php includes bit at the top of each page (like ShortStat)?

Author
Jonathan del Strother
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:27 am
016

I think many people are overlooking the ability to create (via the Pepper API) and add Peppers that extend Mint’s capabilities. Using Mint as the platform for a (potentially) rich developer base is a brilliant move on Shaun’s part…and one in which everyone wins.

Definitely more than “just the look.”

Author
Dave
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:29 am
017

I just purchased it. But $30 for just one site? If only it was two I could use it on my business and personal site.

Anyway looks great so far, I just need to hurry up and finish my site so I can start getting hits.

Author
Robin Pelham
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:43 am
018

amazinly fast, clean and focused on the most interesting stats information.

very nice work shaun!

greets, nader from bandnews.org (also using ajax)

Author
nader
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:45 am
019

I need to get a way to make payment abroad/in the US!

A stripped-down free version might be a good idea, but if that’s not in the plans, then we’ll have to live with it.

Anyway, it looks great! How much did you spend actually coding on it?

Author
Gabriel Mihalache
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:06 am
020

Good work Shaun, it works a treat!

Author
Dave
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:41 am
021

Spectacular job Shaun. I’m in love.

Author
Alex B.
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:47 am
022

I’ve been tracking the development of Mint for a month or so and was really excited about it’s release. Downloaded the compatibility test this morning and quickly realized that my host doesn’t have cURL installed.

Spoke to the hosting service and they say there is no way they’ll install it :( That sucks bum.

From what I’ve read about cURL it doesn’t look like something that you’d throw in to your installation “just in case”.. Is that really a common package to have installed? I’m guessing there is no other way to get to run without that right?

Author
Fredrik
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:48 am
023

Great job Shaun, already got it running, works like a charm. And it’s a beauty, after all…

Author
Lakitu
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:50 am
024

I’m going to be the baddy here, Shaun.

I think you’ve overpriced it. Things like Newsfire are only 20$ and they involve many things, Mint is JUST for ONE website.

Well done anyway, no disrespect meant of course.

Author
Zach Inglis
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:51 am
025

I’ve only looked into Mint briefly but it definitely looks great. I guess it has issues but it’s a pretty smooth first release. My only real gripe is the per-site license. There have been voices in the blogosphere saying $30 is too much for Mint. I don’t agree with that because it’s a rather unique product but in my opinion the per-site fee is pushing it just a bit too much.

Nice work!

Author
Marco
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:53 am
026

I think $30 is a bit expensive, especially as its almost buying it blind due to the demo currently not working.

Make it $15 - $20 and I might consider it harder. As it is I feel like Im missing out, but I can spend my $30 on my PSP or something else.

Congrats and all that though, from what i can see of the tiny quicktime demo it looks very nice.

Author
matthew
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 3:35 am
027

$30 might seem a tad expensive to people who want to try it out on their personal sites, but it’s a pretty small cost to roll into a web design project. I’m going to start including Mint as an option in my client quotes.

Author
Paul D
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 4:07 am
028

Lovely work Shaun, always good to see independent developers getting a little of the limelight, especially for PHP (which has been receiving the rather pointy-edge of the stick lately).

To anyone who wishes to try out Mint while the main demo is offline, I’m running it in demo mode at http://www.famfamfam.com/mint/. Be gentle.

Author
Mark James
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 4:32 am
029

Good one mark!

Now that I see it in it’s full glory I’m seriously considering moving to a host that supports cURL. Sigh.

Author
Fredrik
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 4:49 am
030

Yes, cheers Mark. Thats very helpful.

Maybe a cheaper non-commercial multi-site license and the $30 for commercial sites?

Possibly hard to manage, but you’d get my $15 sooner, rather than possibly never getting my $30.

Author
matthew
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:09 am
031

Mark: Thanks for running the demo!

Shaun: Fantastic job!

Author
Scott M.
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:10 am
032

Thanks for hosting a demo, Mark (nice icons, by the way.) Mint looks very sweet..errr….Minty. Once I have some content on my site I’ll be sure to buy. I guess I’ll just have to keep using boring old shortstat in the mean.

Oh wait, I forgot. Shortstat is still head and shoulders above most stat programs for less trafficked sites (and Mint seems another head above that.) Shaun, you’re the greatest guy.

Author
Scott
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:16 am
033

I have to echo the sentiments that $30 seems too expensive for what you get. I’ve heard the argument that the Pepper will really make it worthwhile but then I’d argue that $30 is too much to pay for an API. You may find yourself making more cash if you dropped the price to $15 and accepted payment methods other than paypal. Check into companies like http://internetsecure.com that can handle the CC processing for you.

It looks good and you’ll no doubt still make gobs of cash either way. :)

Author
Jonathan Snook
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:16 am
034

One thing I just thought of, since it doesn’t support IE, including it in any site I design will require the client to have Firefox/Safari/etc.

Out of all my clients one had already been using something other than IE. Convincing others to switch may be a hard task.

Author
Robin Pelham
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:16 am
035

Inman, you’ve got money coming from me sometime in the future for this.

Oh, and the Mint site looks great.

:)

Author
Joshua Kendall
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:20 am
036

btw, is that Dashboard widget there was rumours of around anywhere (out of interest)?

Author
matthew
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:33 am
037

This is great and I’ve got no problem paying $30 for such clear data.

Author
Jez Hailwood
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:34 am
038

I would also be interested in a multi-site license deal.

Oh, and those of you who do not have a PayPal account should still be able to pay via CC through PayPal without opening an account with them (have a go:)).

Look like a nifty product, Shaun.

Author
Mark
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:36 am
039

I’m with what seems to be the minority here. $30 per site seems a bit much. I’m not intending to downplay the blood, sweat, and tears you’ve put into this fantastic package. Mint looks awesome.

Maybe if the price were lowered to $10-$15 per site or there were multi-site packages available I would be more inclined to part with my money - at least for existing sites.

Either way, you’re going to do great and you have done an amazing job with Mint.

Author
Mike S.
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 6:34 am
040

Great application and I don’t feel that $30 is too much for this application; until you have multiple sites that you want to install it on. Charge more for volume licensing, but not as much as it would cost to buy 10 single site licenses.

Other than that it is a great application that does what it is supposed to do in a terrific way.

Author
Ryan Latham
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 6:51 am
041

I’ve been using Mint for the past 12 hours or so and am really enjoying it. I especially like how it loads a lot faster and doesn’t pick up all of that referer spam like Shortstat did. Well done!

It would be nice if you would consider changing the price to $10 or $15 for each additional license. $30 isn’t too bad but once you start having to pay for additional sites it starts getting expensive(especially ones that don’t make any money).

Author
Jeff Miller
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 6:53 am
042

Great tool!

I ran across Mint via the journal of Jon Hicks this morning.

A quick read and looksee at this offering, and I couldn’t get to the PayPal checkout screen fast enough.

Finally, a web stats interface that is simple, easy to configure, and even easier to use.

And it doesn’t hurt that it’s a beautiful design.

Great work, Shaun.

Author
Christopher Anderson
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:02 am
043

From what I have seen it looks beautiful Shaun. Very nice work. I’m sure it will grow and be even better as the days go by and more people develop Pepper to add to the batch :)

Author
Yannick
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:28 am
044

I can understand requiring javascript for the Mint interface, but also needed for grabbing the stats? Er, why? Your reasoning behind it makes no sense, and a quick perusal of the mint js code on this very site has failed to inform me. I can see what the code does, but I can’t see why its must be done that way.

Author
hostyle
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:28 am
045

Looks beautiful. And minty too.

Author
Ryan
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:35 am
046

For those who don’t understand the need for Javascript: Shaun explained it! And if it’s still unclear you might like to read this post on my blog:

Bye bye referrer spammers!.

I implemented the technique earlier to prevent referrer spam in Pivot’s auto-generated referrer lists.

Author
Marco
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:38 am
047

Marco: So all search engine spidering bots, WWW:Mechanize and curl scripts and their ilk, visitors with javascript turned off and text only browsers get thrown out? My, what accurate stats those will turn out to be.

Of course I know that it deoend son your visitor set and also that most people will not mind missing those mentioned above, but it does means that Mint is certainly not for me or my clients. Then again there are free packages out there that do not skip visitors it deems un-important or below logging. Pity they’re all so ugly though.

Author
hostyle
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:49 am
048

I’d love to use it, but unfortunately my server doesn’t support cURL.

There’s no doubt this is a beautiful product, but Mint seems to walk the fine line of elitism vs niche marketing. I mean 1 server and 2 browsers? Seems a little too “cool club” to me, but hey they’re your sales.

Author
Matt
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:00 am
049

Feeling a bit underwelmed by this, especially after viewing the demo … sure its pretty, but how often can you look at it without wondering why you spent $30 on some basic stats that just happen to have been spruced up by the crayon fairy?

IMHO, the aesthetics detract from the content - a triumph of design over substance if you will.

It is nice and all, but I can’t help wondering “why, exactly?”, and “why are all these people ejaculating over it?”

Author
Steven Woods
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:06 am
050

I know it’s all been said, but here’s my 2 cents.

First of all, I’ve had mint running for almost 12 hours now, and it looks great! Much much better than shortstat, and with and endless feature set via pepper.

Second, I must agree that $30 is a bit too much to pay for a “lightweight stat program”. You have a right to charge whatever you want, but according to the law of supply and demand, I think you might end up with more money in the end charging $20-$25. $30 just seems a bit steep when most other downloadable software (netnewswire, newfire, other shareware stuff) is $15-20. Also $30 per site?

And no offence, but mint isn’t a heavyweight program, nor is it designed to be; that’s what makes it great. But then it needs to be priced like a lightweight stat program.

Congrats and awesome job! I look forward to using mint in the coming months. Cheers!

Author
Ryan Rahn
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:07 am
051

Thank you for the great tool. I have installed it on my site a couple of minutes ago and it really looks good. If you need help for a localized german version, just let me know!

Author
Oliver
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:17 am
052

Well, after that first bit of unpleasantness (I not only included the “http://” and the “www” when I signed up, I also included the trailing slash), Mint is working beautifully and already logging hits. Thanks!

Author
Clay Smith
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:22 am
053

I was testing things out with my Mint install, and then I truncated the mint_vists table to zero it out. Everything was empty, except the visits data…why is that? I guess I could go dig through the code, but I thought others might have noticed this.

Author
Brian Sweeting
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:42 am
054

3 words. Worth. Every. Penny.

Author
Lisa McMillan
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:51 am
055

While the price may not have been what I expected, I’ll be sure to check this out.

I want to know though: will buying a license mean free upgrades and additions?

Also, how many users does it support for logging in?

Author
Sujay
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 9:11 am
056

“I mean 1 server and 2 browsers? Seems a little too ‘cool club’ to me, but hey they’re your sales.”

No matter how you look at it, getting an early release of Mint out for users of modern browsers makes Shaun more money than delaying the release till it works in IE.

It’s not quite just two browsers either. It works in Safari, all Gecko browsers, Opera (with minor quirks), and most likely Konqueror too.

Author
Paul D
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 9:15 am
057

I think I’ve talked enough about this program. But I can only echo what Lisa said. It was worth every penny.

But I still want to know how to import my shortstat stats. :p

Author
Bryan Veloso
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 9:23 am
058

17 quid well-spent. Good on you for charging a sensible price for it. Have NO guilt. Installed very quickly after a terrible day. Suddenly that day seems a bit brighter.

Cheers, Shaun. Good work fella!

Author
Colly
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 9:44 am
059

I’m loving it. It ‘s been a very very long time since I felt so in touch with what’s going on, on my server.

That said, $30… Well, you know… Especially since I can’t start a new site and use my current Mint license on there :(

Author
Michael Heilemann
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 10:56 am
060

I’ve noticed the snazzy realtime column resizing doesn’t work in firefox. When I resize the window, the rightmost column goes white, and the other columns stay static. Nothing changes till I let go of the mouse, and then everything adjusts. Works fine in Safari, pretty slick.

And just to chime in, 30 bucks is pretty steep for just being able to use mint on one site. Maybe 3… I’ll probably get it anyway since I’m a sucker for things like this but still…

Author
Adam
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 11:26 am
061

Great work - I’m loving this website too..wow, Mint looks Mint, dunno if i’d get it but even so!

Author
Usayd
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 12:41 pm
062

I have hated every stats program I have ever used. I love mint. Now I need to finish my site so someone will go there.

Author
KR15
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:19 pm
063

Just checking out MINT and wondering about some of the comments. A couple people mentioned Newsfire and Netnewswire as costing $20 and having all these features - none of them seem to be statistics or analytics.

Am I missing something here? Is the idea that shareware in general costs $20 therefore the price of MINT should be brought down? If so, wouldn’t it make more sense to compare it to some other stats packages instead of an RSS reader? I’ve checked out a few alternatives and most require a recurring monthly fee, free ones are limited and/or advertising supported and some like Hitbox and Webtrends cost in the thousands of dollars in addition to a recurring fee.

Is there a better alternative to MINT that’s less than $30? If so… I’d love to check it out. At the moment I’m using BBClone. Which is free… but I’m always on the lookout for something better, and the referer spam is a real nuisance.

Author
Shimone Samuel
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:22 pm
064

Am I the only one who believes Mint is under-priced? All the important information you need in a sweet, tidy & cutting-edge interface; one click away. Thanks Shaun!

Author
Eric Gretencord
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:43 pm
065

Well, I sure want Mint on my sites, but 30$ per non-commercial site means I’m not going to install it on any of them. The marketer in me thinks segmenting here.

Something like A: 30$ license for personal, non-commercial use and 30$ per-site license for commercial use or B: 15$ per-site license for non-commercial work and 30$ per-site license for commecial work.

Now, option A. would be the easiest to implement, just giving extra rights to people using it non-commercially. But even without such options I can still see myself using Mint for commercial projects.

Author
Erik A. Drabls
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:46 pm
066

Beautiful, elegent, simple and powerful! Just installed it this evening and I’m very impressed so far.

Nice work!

Author
Anthony Finucane
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 1:56 pm
067

$30 (US) for RSS and API, seems a bit much over the stats that comes with CPanel or the free PHLogger. It looks great though so I hope it makes you a bunch!

Author
Mike H.
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 2:45 pm
068

I’ll have to agree with Mike H. The expandability via the plugin API is enough to make this worth at least $30, and possibly more than $30 in the future. Shaun, great work!

Author
MacManX
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 3:52 pm
069

I cant use it (though i’d love to) on any of the sites i do cause we are a fully .net based company.

However the interface is inspirational, and I love its simplicity.

I showed it to our sales manager and he said that he’d only use a stats program if it had graphs (paticularly month to month and year to year hit/unique graphs).

So thats something to keep in mind maybe?

Author
Steve Dennis
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 4:05 pm
070

I showed it to our sales manager and he said that he’d only use a stats program if it had graphs (paticularly month to month and year to year hit/unique graphs).

Shaun, you could call it “Spear” for mint :p

Author
Not Applicable
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 5:05 pm
071

$30 for a simple hit counter? checkout bbclone.de - more advanced and of course its FREE and Open-Source.

Author
luke
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 6:22 pm
072

Argg. I have the money right in front of me. I want to buy it but the parents won’t let me spend it. :’(.

Great job on it Shaun. Keep up the amazing work. Until then.. gotta convince the parents or find a loophole…..

Author
Patrick Weber
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 6:28 pm
073

I agree with everyone who’s said it’s worth every penny, and I’ve only been using it for a day. The only thing along the lines of pricing that I’d like to see addressed is the fact that there is no discount for bulk license…

Author
Ryan Brill
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:07 pm
074

Awesome! I’ve been waiting for this for months!

Owning the license also implies that future upgrades are free?

Author
Oliver Zheng
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 7:58 pm
075

congrats to you shaun on this release. it’s quite an accomplishment. personally, i’ve gotten $30 worth out of shortstat, and WAY more than $30 worth from designologue. i’m happy to fork over some cash to someone who has made such solid contributions to my internet experience. thanks shaun!

Author
zac
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:51 pm
076

When Shaun Inman becomes Shaun Industries perhaps then he can explore tiered pricing or bulk licensing. For now, I’d rather have him work on developing the product rather than spending his time managing a bunch of varied license agreements. I applaud his decision to keep it simple (and I personally know that he considered several options).

I think $30 is more than reasonable for people who want clean (i.e. human) data. For others, it’s not. He realizes that and it’s a calculated decision he has made. He shouldn’t feel bad about it.

On another front: Patrick, can you do some yardwork or something to earn the money? Lemonade stand? Heck, give it a shot; I may even PayPal you a few bucks myself if you make an honest effort and fall short…

Author
Dave
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:53 pm
077

Haven’t read through all the comments here yet, but to those complaining about price:

The fact that a small minority of people think $30 is too much is a sign that this product is priced correctly. If it’s not worth $30 to you, then you’re not the right segment of the market that it’s aimed at. It’s not aimed at people who don’t value stats very much and it’s not aimed at people who are satisfied with the alternatives. If you find yourself in one of these groups, you simply don’t have a need for Mint, and that’s totally fine.

Author
Mike D.
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 8:57 pm
078

I think Shaun has been very clever with his pricing; it’s the final push to make sure it gets to his niche market. Shaun’s target audience is himself; a Mac owning, freelance web designer who’s blog is part of their business.

No IE support stops it going to the big businesses (and all the support issues that come with that). $30 a site and cURL requirement stops it going to the average Joe (and all the complaining that comes with that). The way it was marketed, its simplicity and elegant design, the added features for Mac, the fact it looks best in Safari on a widescreen monitor; all these things push it firmly at his core market. It’s a great thing when you are the end user, as you know exactly what you want and are unlikely to require support when using it.

Having said all that I still think $15 for additional sites would be a fair price and make you even more money. Think of all those non-profit side projects we web designers have! $30 is fine for my business blog but I won’t bother adding it to my side projects while it still $30 for each extra site.

Author
Robin Pelham
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 10:43 pm
079

I’ve purchased Mint but kinda dissapointed with the lack of documentation. No IE support. Although I use Firefox and Opera, it would be great if I can access Mint using IE when there’re no other alternatives. Doesn’t support Japanese or Chinese characters. It comes out gibberish = €’‚‰��„��€’‚‰��„� . I’ll be waiting for better updates.

Author
Hisyam
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 11:23 pm
080

For those worrying about the cURL requirement, Mint no longer requires cURL as of v1.0.1, and we are now at v1.0.3.

Author
MacManX
Posted
Sep 6th, 2005 11:34 pm
081

Just a small but I hope worthwhile commment!

Not sure if you’ve already changed this but in the version of Mint famfamfam is running, there’s a typo in the preferences section of the site.

The header ‘Preferences maybe explored but no changes are saved in demo mode.’ should read ‘may be’ with a seperating space :)

Good luck with the sales :)

Author
Will Croft
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 3:09 am
082

Does anyone have a grab of the Junior Mint widget? My web trawling hasnt turned anything up.

Author
matthew
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 3:59 am
083

Some comments after a first day and night statistics harvesting on my blog.

Works really good for me, the MacOS Widget makes it even more cool.

The only thing I am really missing is a tracking of my visitors IP or even better a reverse DNS lookup. So I can see who access my site, which documents he looked at, how often he returned etc.

Is that planed for a next step?

Author
Oliver
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 4:53 am
084

Shaun, what typeface did you use for the $30 on the buy now button? It looks really nice.

Author
Joshua Kendall
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 5:04 am
085

Oliver: Mint does track IP address for each visitor — is there a specific view of that data you’re looking for? Do you want to be able to tracking a specific visitor’s path through the site? I’m betting Pepper can be used to do a Reverse DNS module…

Author
Scott McMillin
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 7:06 am
086

Smallest font ever seen, but still readible!

Author
jt
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 7:23 am
087

Mint is excellent - really like how it works. And I’m looking forward to making some Peppers (that just sounds wrong!). There’s been one problem so far, and that’s that the UA Pepper doesn’t work in Opera. When you click a browser for the versions breakdown in Opera, where the breakdown should be it loads all the stats boxes again.

Other than that, I’m impressed. The Newest Unique Referrers RSS feed is especially cool. Nice work!

Author
Dave Child
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 7:40 am
088

Well done Shaun. Worth every penny. Bought it, installed it and the widget in under 5 min. very easy. Thanks for a great product , site and postings.

Author
Mike
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 8:08 am
089

Do not post support request on this thread. There is a very good chance that I will not see them. Please use the Mint contact form.

Author
Shaun Inman
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 8:10 am
090

Shaun…

I did use the Mint contact form… Sorry for thinking this would be a good place to find an answer a little quicker. I’ll be patient and wait for your response.

Author
Mark Garrigan
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 8:19 am
091

I have to say that I’m very impressed with Mint and have bought and installed it. Its’s very easy for me to read the stats on who’s hitting my site. I think $30 is a fair price to pay for the hard work programming and debugging it (I’m a programmer and and it gets hairy at times tracking down obscure bugs). One can set aside a jar of loose changes expressly for purchasing this if one feels that there isn’t any money to buy it right now.

Author
lolajl
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 11:38 am
092

Great, tx for deleting my comment. in any case here it is again, Mints is just ok and veery plain and simple. Price tag is a little extreme seeing as you can get free and / or open-source counters with a hell of a lot more features such as http://www.bbclone.de

Author
Josh
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 12:08 pm
093

Just finished my first Pepper plug in, XXX Strong Mint. :D Very simple, just allows you to see the IP Addresses of your visitors from within Mint. Get it at dynamiclatitude.com/xxxstrong

Author
Nathan Kunicki
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 12:39 pm
094

I would love to run mint on my 5 other sites, but not with a pricetag of $150. I would gladly pay $10 per additional server though.

Author
KR15
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 12:59 pm
095

so what’s new in 1.0.4?

Author
hisyam
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 3:03 pm
096

You’re not logging 10% of your hits (ballpark figure), so I fail to see what on earth the point is of providing any statistical analysis on incorrect stats.

Going on to sell that misrepresentation of traffic for $30 seems insane - however attractive (and incompatible) the interface is - but perhaps that’s just me.

You’re a CSS guru Shaun, and I can only respect your knowledge and experience, but using JavaSscript to log traffic just seems inexplicable in what’s supposed to be the accessible age…

Author
Barry Price
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 3:04 pm
097

i installed strong mint but i dont see anything?? what gives?

Author
hisyam
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 3:23 pm
098

I think this product should be free with the many complaints. I mean, you have alot of stat applications that are free. For Wordpress, you have BA-stats, WP-shortstat, etc…Their all free!

Author
ch0de
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 3:56 pm
099

I honestly don’t understand all the critisism on the $30. It’s peanuts. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Simple.

I bet every one who has made a comment so far in this thread has some sort of statistics provided to them from the sie host, Statistics that’s more comprehensive than what Mint gives you - but less cleverly laid out and more hard to interpret. The immediate overview that Mint provides is it’s strengh. It won’t completely change the way I use my stats, but it will mean that I don’t have to look at the 60 page long stats document that my host privide me with so often.

For me, Mint is the ideal. Easy to interpret and easy to follow up links and popular posts.

And thanks for dropping the cURL requirement Shaun!

Author
Fredrik
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 6:51 pm
100

Check out BBclone It’s FREE and offers a ton of more features…also logs all hits.

Author
leni
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 7:23 pm
101

I’ve been analysing JavaScript support of my [personal] site’s visitors for the past two months, using AWstats, and less than 1% of users have JavaScript disabled.

Barry Price’s comment above, that using JavaSscript to log traffic just seems inexplicable in what’s supposed to be the accessible age…, is misguided: IMHO, the statistics provided by utilities such as Mint are best suited to allowing informed design decisions, rather than anything else. To be perfectly frank, no-one cares about users that are browsing sans visual display when it comes to this sort of data. And that has perfectly valid reasons.

This doesn’t track RSS users, and it doesn’t track the (miniscule) proportion of users referred from search engines, etc, that don’t have JavaScript enabled. The “accessible age” theory doesn’t apply, not least because this has negligible impact upon end-user experience.

Author
Josh Street
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 9:10 pm
102

To those complaining about the price, Shaun is doing exactly what he needs to do. He is charging only $30 for a stats program which he will continue to develop and support while continuing to maintain a family and a full-time paying job. If you want to use Mint, then pay the $30. If you don’t want to pay the $30 dollars, then don’t use Mint. If you don’t want to use Mint, then why are you complaining?

Author
MacManX
Posted
Sep 7th, 2005 10:35 pm
103

I’ll bet most of those non-Javascript hits showing up in Barry’s stats are referrer bots and spiders—exactly the sort of noise Mint filters out. That makes Mint more useful, not less.

Author
Paul D
Posted
Sep 8th, 2005 3:03 am
104

I just tested XXXStrong from Nathan. It adds a simple visitor IP viewing to Mint. That is a first step, but I guess, we might need more: dynamiclatitude.com/xxxstrong

  • track repeated visits
  • see who access your site how often
  • which pages was that user browsing
  • reverse IP lookop

Other ideas of improvement:

  • how long does a user stay on a site?
  • top sites by this figure
Author
Oliver
Posted
Sep 8th, 2005 5:00 am
105

Mint is a great tool—clean, fast, well structured and reduced to the essential. The only problem I encountered with Mint: I can’t set it up on a subdomain. It should be possible to view stats for my personal site roberthilbe.com on http://statistik.roberthilbe.com. Is there a way to do this with a single licence?

Author
Robert Hilbe
Posted
Sep 8th, 2005 5:18 am
106

All discussion of Mint has been moved to the new Mint Forum.

Author
Shaun Inman
Posted
Sep 8th, 2005 6:18 am